Scott Fulkerson

Hi Caleb. The Notables Project set warnings on those categories 5 years ago that they were no longer to be used, and that they were scheduled to be deleted. The categorization team would typically have done this automatically, however, they have gone without a formal leader and tasks like this have unfortunately not been addressed in a timely manner. I informed the Leaders that this was coming, and asked for input prior to beginning the task. As one of the Notables Leaders, and these being pre-Notables Team categories that were intended to be converted to the Notables Template or Sticker, this is more or less a maintenance category intended to be replaced with "Notables".

As to the term "Famous", the discussion around this was primarily what drove the change. What makes one man "famous" over another. No one could give a consistent answer, so it was clear that these categories were confusing and utilized in a random fashion as opposed to their original intention.

For Film Director, you would just use the category "Film Directors". If the individual has a Wikipedia page, you would add the Notables Template for profiles that are not Open privacy, or the Notables Sticker if they are Open privacy.

Let me know if this answers your questions.

Thanks. Scott

Hi Scott, thanks so much for that thorough explanation! that answers everything for me thanks, and I've added the Film Directors category among others and ensured that he had the right privacy level for the Notables sticker.

Came here about to ask the same thing; thanks for posting the background. Thanks for the drudgery work you're doing to clean up these categories.

From another drudge worker...

Yes. For any profile you're looking for, it would be a good idea to get comfortable with the Find screen in WikiTree. His was easy to find. Usually I go to Wikipedia, get the birth date and birth name, and then go to the Find screen and enter the name and birth year, and see what comes up. You can always add more filters (death year, etc.) or take some off, if you don't find what you're looking for.

Here is his profile: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnson-69116

Hi Kay,

My apologies, but my plate is full at the moment with the reconfiguration of the Notables project. If you would like to remove me for now, I think that would be best. Thank you for all you've done to assist me with a better understanding of profile improvement and perhaps one day when things are calmer (if that ever happens), I'll let you know. Thanks - Scott

Scott,

We understand that you are currently very busy. We'll remove you for now. Just let us know if you want to return.

Kay

No - can't say that I am. I do have access to her mother's profile, but no parents are currently listed.

Gotcha. I created profiles for Selena's maternal grandparents

Grandpa: Cornett-1695 Grandma: Gibson-29811

I tried to make them public, but they're still living. They do not have a whole lot of connections, but it will give Selena's profile a greater connection count.

You say you have access to her mother's profile, could you possibly include the links as her parents? If you cannot, I will add you to my trusted list.

Already took care of it - merges are much more complicated it seems with asian names, where some are right-left, others are left-right, and others even more complicated than that.

Thanks, Jessica! More than happy to provide input on your Pre-1500 Certification and would be happy to have you added to the ranks of those working on those profiles.

Hi Susan - living Notables are very challenging, as we have very strict rules about how they can be created and managed, and what information can be contained on them. You will want to review the Notables Project page ( https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Notables ) so that you can add the project as co-manager, so that we can assist with content and management on this profile. We will also want to determine if the profile has enough to allow us to open it to a visible level to other WikiTreers. Keep in mind that living relatives who are not Notable should not be added (wives, children, parents, etc.), although there can be some rare exceptions where this is allowed. You may want to look at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Living_Notables and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Living_People for further guidance here. Let me know if you have further questions. I'll know more once I'm able to review the profile.

Hi Francesca,

So he sounds like an interesting person, but at the moment, he's a bit shy on facts that would help to determine if he would qualify as a Notable or not. I can see where he "worked" places where a lot of interesting things were happening, but not the specifics of what he "did". Normally things like why something was above and beyond the call of duty, or why it was an incredible challenge that he rose to face it, or the level of impact it had on things are what are looked for in evaluating someone who does not have a Wikipedia page. There have always been those in the medical profession who were given a task and completed it as requested, but those don't tend to become Notables. However, I do see the potential with his work in India - I think it just needs to be clearer as to the role he played there, the challenges he faced, the risks he faced, and the level of success he achieved. If he was only one of 100 doctors out there doing the same thing, then it really means he would have to be shown where he was above and beyond what the others were doing. If all we can determine is that he was just one of many jabbing people in the arm, then it probably isn't all that Notable. Hope that helps. Please ask questions as this is a fluid activity and I really don't know the person you're working with as much as you do, and my guess is that there's still bio information you have that hasn't made it to the page.

Thanks. Scott.

Thank you Scott,

This helps. There will definitely be more information on the profile, but it may not get to the point needed for a notable sticker.

I’ve only been on WikiTree for two months and I am still learning the basics. :)

Thanks again,

Francesca

Hi Sue,

There are several ways to qualify for Notables, and the easiest way to check if a profile qualifies for a project is to check the project page. If you've never done this, all you need to do is (from your top menu) go to Find -- Projects. In this case, scroll down to Notables and open the project page (may need to click 2 links to get this to open, as the first one you may see just drops you to a preview on that same "projects" page).

Here is the direct link to the Notables Project page. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Notables

What you'll read there is that any profile that has a Wikipedia article specifically on them automatically qualifies for Notables. So what this means is that you can put the Notables sticker onto that profile. To do this, just below the = Biography = header, you can add. (this is two beginning curly brackets "{" followed by Notables Sticker followed by two end curly brackets "}" )

That will add them to the project automatically.

You will also want to consider adding categories to the profile to help identify what they are Notable for, as well as to help others find them in groups of their peers. I see he was an Editor (there is a category for Editors), and that he held the title of "Sir" and had an "MD". I believe the title came from two awards he received:

Commander of the Order of the Star of India, 1910 Knight Commander of the Order of the Star of India, 1911

I'd see if there are categories in place for these as well. Finally, it appears he co-authored a book. Authors or Writers are both categories (not sure what the difference is), but I would add Authors to him.

Hope that helps.

Scott Fulkerson

Hi,

Thanks, that helps a lot, I will follow up on your advice. I find Wikitree rather overwhelming at times. Kind Regards, Sue

yes, thank you... that does help a lot... our profile is better and more sourced than the wikipedia.com one, is that OK? And its not done yet.

Hi Ashley,

The only profiles Notables is required to manage are those that are non-open privacy or ones where there may be some risk of controversial edits. All others are left open for adoption by design.

Good to know. I'm sure y'all have plenty of work just with that. It just made me sad to him neglected like that. Thanks!