G2G: Question on Nancy Ellen (Coker) Glover (abt.1863-bef.1940)

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Regarding Nancy (Coker) Glover ...

I am a descendant of Nancy (Coker) Glover. She is my maternal 3rd g-grandmother. I have heard stories from my family saying that there was a Native American (specifically Cherokee) great-grandma of my maternal grandfather. The evidence of this claim is that he remembers her at family gatherings. To add onto this, the other people in the town that he grew up in had known that he was part-Cherokee. 

Here’s the problem:

I cannot find any sources of this ancestor who was supposedly Cherokee at all. What I have gathered is a few things, though.

A: 

It would have to have been on my maternal grandfather dad’s side, Jess Glover, because I know that all of the wife, Hauttie’s, ancestors were not Cherokee. The only native ancestor we can find for the wife was in the late 1600s, and not Cherokee.

B: 

Even with Jess’ ancestors, it would have to be on his paternal side, considering all of his mom’s ancestors aren’t Cherokee.

C:

Jess’ paternal grandfather was supposedly part Cherokee, but he remembers that it was a great-grandmother of his specifically. So 3 generations above him.

This would narrow the only option down to the aforementioned Nancy (Coker) Glover. They would have possibly had a one year overlap of time to see each other and he may have remembered it. To add onto this theory of her being part-Cherokee, I have no idea who her parents are. This can create speculation that she may be Cherokee. 

All of the supposed theories of her parentage are suspicious. For example:

Pretty much the only theory of her parents are John Coker Sr and Lydia (Davis) Coker. I don’t believe that those are her parents due to the fact that they:

A: 

Had already had a kid named Nancy, who lived to adulthood too. Why would they have another kid named Nancy?

B: 

Her parents both would’ve been 47 years old having Nancy Ellen. That’s extremely old, especially for their time.

That would mean that those probably were not her parents.

What makes this even more weird is that in the 1880s census, she’s listed with her husband (my 3rd great grandfather), and her firstborn daughter (2nd great grand aunt). On this census, she is listed as White, not Cherokee/Indian.

My grandfather also told stories of how his ancestors were made fun of in the county his family was from for being Cherokee.

My final note is that, in all of my family’s DNA tests, which include my maternal grandfather, mother, aunt, maternal grand uncle, cousin, and me, has no Native American DNA whatsoever. 

My mom did, however, have North African DNA when first getting her test back, which was commonly conflated with Native DNA back when she took her test.

In conclusion, I am totally and utterly confused as to how I may be Cherokee. I know that I probably am somehow, but I have no clue as to what degree I am.

WikiTree profile: Nancy Glover
in Genealogy Help by G2G-3 (3.8k points)
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Start by finding actual sources for Nancy.  The Cherokee were forced to leave Arkansas in 1828.
by Golden Owl (1.2m points)

Hello, Kathie,

Thank you for suggesting that. I checked all of the other censuses, and it appears as though she was listed as a White person in all of them.

I then decided to search the Dawes rolls. I searched “Nancy Coker” and “Nancy Glover”, and specified Cherokee, yet there were no results. Even un-specifying the tribes gave me no results. I also searched up the surname Coker, and specified the Cherokee nation. This did get me results, which means there’s a slight chance she somehow wasn’t recorded in the rolls, but maybe one of her family members were.

I don’t 100 percent believe I’m Cherokee, I’ve been fairly skeptical for a while. Maybe this is just proof I’m not.

Edit:

The Dawes rolls only covered eastern Oklahoma I’m fairly certain. I thought it covered Arkansas too. Oopsie!

This might be Nancy in 1860: "United States Census, 1860", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M87Y-SRW : Mon Jul 08 03:33:53 UTC 2024), Entry for John Coker and Nancy Jane Coker, 1860.  Nancy Jane may have been second wife; the 1860 census lists a 20 year old Robert Coker relationship not specified.

Here is Nancy Glover in 1880, living in Arkansas: "United States Census, 1880", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN7Y-1R5 : Sun Mar 10 15:15:28 UTC 2024), Entry for Richard Glover and Nancy E Glover, 1880.

and in 1900, still in Arkansas: "United States Census, 1900", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3XJ-RPF : Mon Jul 01 19:30:23 UTC 2024), Entry for Richard Glover and Nancy E Glover, 1900.

In order to be on the Dawes Roll (which was created to allot tribal lands to individuals at Oklahoma statehood) you had to meet the criteria for citizenship in the particular tribe and be living in their nation between 1890 and 1903.   Nancy was living in Arkansas, so there is no way she could be on the Dawes Roll.  In 1906 the Cherokee won a suit for compensation for losses incurred by individuals at Removal.  All Cherokee (and their descendants) who had been affected by Removal were eligible for a share.  The settlement was for 4 million dollars, an unimaginable sum at that time. Tens of thousands of people who believed they had Cherokee ancestry applied (only a third of them actually qualified), but your Nancy didn't even apply, so it doesn't seem she thought she was Cherokee.  

There is no one named Coker on the 1835 Cherokee census.  There doesn't seem to be anything other than a family story to connect Nancy to the Cherokee.  The Glover family was also living nearby at Sugar Loaf, Carroll, Arkansas in 1860 so it seems probable that the Cokers on the 1860 census are the correct family..

I think you are correct, and John Coker is probably somewhere in her family. But I’m not 100 percent positive that’s her father. Don’t get me wrong, he may be, but I’ve found other John Coker’s in her tree that may make a bit more sense as closer relatives.

What I am fairly positive on is that she is somehow a descendant of William Coker and Molley Lee. To possibly go a step further, she may descend from a man by the name of Joseph Coker, who is William and Molley’s son.

Joseph had a nickname, which was “Cherokee Joe Dempsey”. This would make sense that we heard “Cherokee” and ran with it, albeit accidentally. He also married a Cherokee.

The fact that the Glovers lived nearby makes John and Nancy Jane very likely as her parents.

Ok! Thanks for the help. Added them to my tree

This also explains the two different Nancy’s. Two different wives and therefore his old marriages names were reusable.

Another thing connecting the 1860 Arkansas Glovers and Cokers. I went looking for Nancy E's husband Richard Glover, b abt 1858 Arkansas.  His family is in another town in Arkansas, but enumerated with the family is that 19-year-old Robert Coker.  

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBX-YX1?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AM87Y-9BT&action=view

Robert appears to have been enumerated twice in 1860-- once with his likely father John in Sugar Loaf, and then also as a farm laborer in the house of Richard Glover Sr in Bear Creek.


Thank you so much for the help!!! I really appreciate you guys all helping me crack down this brick wall.

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