G2G: Anyone need help with families from Gakovo or Bačko Dobro Polje, Batschka region of former Yugoslavia/Austria-Hungary?

Question

If anyone needs help looking for relatives from Gakowa (Gákova/Gakovo/Gádor) or Bačko Dobro Polje (Kischker/Kisker) in the Batschka region of former Yugoslavia/Austria-Hungary (now Serbia), I have the following books to look up information:

• Unvergessenes Kischker 11786-1944, Johann Lorenz, 1960
  Full of information, stories, name lists, house numbers, maps...
• Ortssippenbuch Gakowa (1763-1895), Johann Schnaterbeck, 1994.
• Ortssippenbuch Gakowa Teil II (1896-1943), Michael Hutfluss, 2002.
  Local Heritage Books part I and II - mainly extensive lists of names, birth/death/marriage dates and locations, some prints of original documents.
  
  Also, I'm currently in the process of adding the Falkenstein family from the following book:
• Chronik der Vorfahren und Nachkommen des Johann Friedrich Falkenstein aus Ilbesheim/Kirchheimbolanden seit 1786 Kolonist in Kisker/Batschka, Georg Heinrich Falkenstein, 2002.
  Information based on church registers, "Ahnenpaß"/ancestor passports and personal information of descendants.

There are probably even more books somewhere in the basement of my parents', I'll extend the list in this post once they turn up.

Just let me know!

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Hi

Im looking for a Anna Maria Schon she was born in Gakowa about 1774 I have no idea who her parents were or her actual birth date which is what I'm looking for, could you look in the Gakowa familybook? Just know she married Martin Schon in Gara, Hungary.

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Hi TJ,

you will probably find information in the Gara family book (which I don't have, but you should try the DVHH mailing list, I'm sure there are people who can help you there). What I could find online in Gara is this:
http://www.genpluswin-database.de/nofb/ofb/gara/index.php?id=zeig1&ia=3394
http://ofb.genealogy.net/famreport.php?ofb=gara&ID=I12468&nachname=SCH%F6N&modus=&lang=de

In the family book of Tschatali, I found the following:

Schön Martin, *25 Dec 1773 +24 Mar 1816 in Gara, son of Michael Schön and Bischof Anna Maria
oo 17 Nov 1794
Schön Anna Maria, from Gakowa, *about 1777 +11 Apr 1826 in Gara, 2.oo Friebert Sebastian
child: Elisabeth *14 Apr 1796 +09 Feb 1797
11 other children in Gara, 1796-1815. (book by Gatti/Peller: Gara, Nr. 991, 3532.)

In the Gakowa family book I found:

SCHÖN Eva
parents: Martin Schön - Anna Maria Schön
* Gara 14 Feb 1812 + 28 Aug 1850 Gara
oo Gara 14 Feb 1812 to EINWILLER Josef * Gara 05 Mar 1809 (parents: Philipp Einwiller - Katharina Gyalos)
There are seven children listed for them, if you're interested.

Without a maiden name, it's difficult to look anything up. One would have to search for every Anna Maria in the whole book that fits the calculated birth year. I tried to spot some, but there's a good chance I didn't get them all:

808
EMSER (no information about parents)
Anna Maria * about 1775 (living in Gakowa in 1784 aged 9)

1348
GRAZ Hermann
oo
Unknown Elisabeth
daughter: Anna Maria * about 1776 (living in Gakowa in 1791 aged 15)

2254
KÖSLER (no information about parents)
Anna Maria * about 1773 (living in Gakowa in 1784 aged 11)

2891
MESCH (no information about parents)
Anna Maria * about 1773 (living in Gakowa in 1784 aged 9)

4372
SPITZNAGEL (no information about parents)
Anna Maria * about 1777 (living in Gakowa in 1784 aged 7)

I hope this leads you to something.

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Hi

Her maiden name IS Schon she was a Schon before she married a Schon, could you see if you have a Anna Maria Schon. Thank you so much for looking into this and responding so quickly.

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Oh, ok, that wasn't clear to me! However, there's only the following Anna Maria Schöns, none of which seems to fit to your grandmother's birth year:

- Anna Maria * about 1816 (daughter of Johann Schön and Anna Ottilie Winkert)
- A.M. Margaretha * abt 1812 (d.o. Matthias S. and Anna Maria Zimmer)
- A.M.* abt 1812 (d.o. Matthias S. a. Anna Maria Zimmer)

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I am so excited to see your post and your offer of help in finding relatives who lived in Gakova.  I am a direct descendant of a family who lived there.  Some escaped and some perished.  Do you have any information on Anna Kriepf (spelling?)  She was married to my great grandfather, Adam (also called Adamus) Zorn, born on October 28, 1887.  I have hit a brick wall and can find no information on her other than a photograph of her in my grandparents' (Joseph Zorn and Christina Weigand) wedding photo.  Any help you can provide on Anna Kriepf or the Zorn family would be so very greatly appreciated.  Thank-you so very much, in advance!

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Hi Christine,

my 4x-great-grandmother was a born Weigand! I'm not at home right now, but I'll look up the names in my Ortsfamilienbuch and get in touch with you with the results!

Constantin

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Hi Christine,

I found something!

Z047
ZORN Adam, parents: Paul and LOTTERHOF Rosalia
born 28 Oct 1887 in Gakovo
married 5 June 1906 (witnesses: BRANDT Martin and MELCHER Josef)
to KNIPF Anna, parents: Stefan and HETRICH Theresia
born 8 November 1883 in Gara, died (no date) in the camp in Gakovo
Godparents of their children: RIPP Josef, ROTH Anna Maria
children:
1. Josef, born 7 June 1906 in Gakovo, died 5 Sept 1909 in Gakovo
2. Josef, born 27 July 1910 in Gakovo, married 11 November 1929 in Gakovo to WEIGAND Christina

Adams father:
Z043 (Part II, 4123 in Part I)
ZORN Paul, parents: Paul and WEIGAND Klara
born 14 April 1853 in Gakovo
died 29 March 1934 in Gakovo
married 7 July 1884 in Gakovo (witnesses: HÖGER Adam and HÖGER Franz)
to LOTTERHOF Rosalia, parents: Michael and PRISLINGER, Barbara
born 19 March 1866 Gakovo
died 18 December 1933 Gakovo

They had 4 children and the book goes back 2 more generations in the ZORN family. It's a bit much to type it all down - is there any way to contact you by email, so I can send more information to you? Your name is unfortunately not linked to a Wikitree profile.

Unfortunately, there was no entry for a Stefan Knipf in the Gakovo books. The name only appears for three children of a Georg Knipf, two died (3rd and 5th child) and then they named their 10th child Stefan as well. However, that Stefan Knipf was born 12 August 1826, so he would have been in his late 50s when Anna was born. Not impossible, but rather unlikely, I thought... And I also didn't find anything for the surname HETRICH. But it stated that this Knipf family was from Tschatali/Csatalja, so I took a look into that book as well, and look what I found:

Different spellings for the family name: Knipf, Knipff, Knip, Kniph, Knipp

KNIPF Stefan
born 15 June 1858 in Gara
died 08 February 1924
parents: Martin u. THURI Anna
married 22 November 1880 to
HEDRICH Theresia
born 27 June 1859
died 09 September 1937
daughter of Mathias and BISCHOF Theresia
They had 4 children in Gara from 1881-89 (there are no names listed, but one of them must have been your great-grandmother Anna!)
and 1 other child in Ridjica in 1891 (source: Gatti/Peller: Gara, Nr. 2125)

I don't have the Gara book, but I'm sure someone on the DVHH mailing list can help you with that! I know from an excerpt that the names THURI and BISCHOF occur in there, so there might be something on the generation before those I listed.

Again, if you could provide any means to concat you, I can send you some more excerpts from the books.

Sources:
- Johann Schnaterbeck: Ortssippenbuch Gakowa (1763-1895), 1994.
- Michael Hutfluss: 'Ortssippenbuch Gakowa Teil II (1896-1943), 2002.
(both contain information mainly from original registers, archives and documents)
- Josef Hefner, Johann Bayer: Ortssippenbuch Tschatali - Csátalja (Batschka) 1737 - 1946, Butzbach 2002

 

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P.S: I also found Christines parents Stefan WEIGAND and Barbara WIRAG and will be looking for a connection to my Margarethe KERESCHER born WEIGAND

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I can't thank you enough for that information!  That has been the missing part of my family tree for years!  You can contact me via email at caclose83@gmail.com.  Again, thank-you for the information.  I look forward to hearing from you again.

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Hi my grandfather came from palanka and he was also married there. I'm trying to locate more info. Adam john patarcity/ patarscity born there 10/22/1894 and married Anna kavelli born in Drenovci on 09/01/1905. Looking for additional family info, parents, sibliy, etc. Any help would be appreciated. I understand that the name changed upon emmigrating to America or before?

Thank you!

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Hello, Constantin,

Thank you very much for your kind offer. I have a look-up, if you don't mind. Her name was 'Elisabeth Enzminger' or 'Enzmingen', but she may be listed as 'Elisabeth Sehne'. She was born in Kisker, Serbia, probably around 1890. Her husband, Samuel Sehne, was also born there in 1885. Any information would be appreciated.

Thank you much,

David

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Hi David,

I also have Enzminger and Sehne in my tree! I found two matching entries:

Elisabetha Enzminger, daughter of Georg Enzminger, born 16 Dec 1888, married to Peter Schneider

Elisabetha Enzminger, daughter of Philipp Enzminger, born 6 May 1890, married to Philipp Seene in Jarek

For the first entry, it could be that she married someone else before or after Samuel Sehne, and for the second, it could be an erroneous first name, or she married a brother first and then Samuel when that brother died, which was not too uncommon back then. However, there were also several Sehne/Seene families, so it could be someone else entirely.

I think I found Samuel in the book:
Samuel Sehne, born 10 August 1885, son of Johann Jakob Sehne (* 1855, x 29 Dec 1925) and Barbara Schwarz (* 1857, x 14 March 1926, daughter of Michael Schwarz and Rosina Paul). However, there's no information about the marriage. Let me know if you need me to look up more on his family line!

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Hi David,

in my other Kisker book, I also found this:

Samuel Seene, * about 1885 in Krtschedin. Profession: locksmith. Married to DERNER, Christina (born in Beschka) 1907 in Beschka. Parents: Samuel Seene and Katharina WACK.

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Hello, Constantin,

Thank you so much for your charity and generosity. I have three other look-ups, and I promise I'll leave you alone.

1[ Rudolph Joseph Sehne, born 08 Dec 1919, possibly in Novi Sad, Serbia.

2] Georg Herde [probably born between 1890-1900]

3] Stefan Ninkov

Again, thanks so much for your kindness.

David

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Hello David,

unfortunately, I didn't find anything on any of those three names (including spelling variants).

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Constantin,

Thanks again for your tremendous generosity.

David

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Hello

My name is Goran Encminger ( Enzminger) from Serbia.

Enzminger lived in Kishker, Showe, Bulkes, Werbass.

My grand mother is Katarina Enzminger born 15 sept 1931. And all I know is her father is Jakob.All I know is that are all died from 1943-1948

We are the only family in Serbia now.

If you have some information I would love to have it.

Thank you.

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Hello,

I'm looking for any mention of Reit[t]enbach families in Kischker. My ancestor Elisabetha Margaretha Reitenbach was said to have been born in Kishker on her death record in Neu-Freudental and the estimate of her age on said record leads to a birth date of 11 Sep 1787.

I've seen two possible fathers mentioned, one was a Heinrich Reitenbach from Asswiller though he appears in Tscherwenka and a Michael Reitenbach from Bärweiler who appears in Torschau.

Is there any mention of a Reitenbach family in Kisker that might match in being related to Elisabetha?

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The Reitenbach family was one of the initial settler families in Kischker:

"Reitenbach Peter, Haus-Nr. 37, die Familie übersiedelte nach Crvenka. Der Kolonist stammte aus Bärweiler, Kreis Meisenheim, Regierungsbezirk Koblenz."

"Reitenbach Peter, house no. 37, the family moved to Crvenka. The colonist came from Bärweiler, district of Meisenheim, administrative district of Koblenz."

and

"Peter Reitenbach kam durch Wien am 24.5.1784 zusammen mit Nikolaus Reitenbach. Es ist anzunehmen, dass beide miteinander verwandt waren und sich in Forschau niederließen. Peter kam dann aber nach Kisker und wurde auf Nr. 37 angesiedelt. Angabe 1936 aus ßärweiler bei Meisenheim stammend Im Werbaser Matrikel 1787 als aus dem Fürstentum Salm abstammend angegeben. Die Nachkommen sind alle nach Altker abgewandert."

"Peter Reitenbach came through Vienna on 24.5.1784 together with Nikolaus Reitenbach. It can be assumed that both were related to each other and settled in Forschau. Peter, however, then came to Kisker and was settled at no. 37. In the Werbaser register of 1787, he was stated to be descended from the principality of Salm. The descendants have all migrated to Altker."

Source: UNVERGESSENES KISCHKER 1786-1944

Can you contact me via message so that I can reply via email? There are several results for Reitenbach, too much to post here.

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Hello Constantin,

My mother was born there in Gakowa and recently passed away. I’m trying to find information on her family. Her maiden name is Therese Schwemlein and her parents are Maria Braun and Anton Schwemlein. My mother was born in 1928 and her mother was born in 1908 and father in 1902. Any info on her family would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Anthony

Answer 1

Awesome! Hoping more of us join with our resources. I have books for my grandparents village of Kathreinfeld in the Banat region of what is now Serbia. I've done two look up requests but had no luck for them. Hopefully one day I will actually have info on someone and help their research along.

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You have given me an idea for WikiTree people who have books and maps that can offer look-ups at home.

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Awesome! Lord knows I've accumulated plenty in my 23 years of researching and I'm sure others have as well. We could have our own "library resource"!

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If you know the current Serbian name of the town, please add it. I had to google to find out the current name of Kathreinfeld. If you look in Serbia now for Kathreinfeld you don't have any luck with it. Today it's called "Ravni Topolavac" and with this name you can even locate it on google maps. I love to do that to know where the folks is from.

Answer 2

Very generous offer, Constantin. Hungary history has so many border changes which makes research a challenge!

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Yes, it can get very confusing... Is it former Yugoslavia, or Austria-Hungary? Does it belong to Serbia today, or to Hungary? I'm glad that for the family line I'm currently adding, someone else has already done extensive research. :)

Answer 3

Good day. I found your entry by chance while looking up information on Kischker  (Former Yugoslavia).  According to my paternal grandfather our family moved to Kischker from the Rheine Valley about 200 years ago and lived there until placed in detention camps during the second world War.  We believe my father was born in said camp.  Would you be able to check and see if there is an mention of the Römich family (Christian and Katarina - my grandparents  and Hermann and Adolf - my father and his brother who died young around the time of the war).  My grandparents passed away before I could completely understand the family story and I'm now trying to piece it together.  Sincere thanks in advance.

Shaun Roemich

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Hi Shaun,

I found your grandparents and their ancestors, and there are several pages about the Römich surname in Kischker - is there any way to contact you via email, as it's too much to post here in the forum?

We might even be distantly related, as there are several related names that also occur in my family tree.

Kind regards
Constantin

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That's fantastic news!  My personal email is shaunroemich@gmail.com

I'm intrigued to hear there may be a relation.

Very sincere thanks.

Shaun

Answer 4

Hi Constantin,

I am looking for the ancestors of

MICHAELER / MICHELER Rosina * ~1804 Gakowa

Tochter von

MICHAELER Philip * ~1777 Gakowa &

SCHÄFFER Anna * ~1777-1778 Gakowa +23.04.1850 Kunbaja

According to Familienbuch Kunbaja she also had 2 sisters living in Kunbaja: Marianna * ~1805 Gakowa & Katharina * ~1806 Gakowa.

Many thanks for your help.

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Hi Alex,

unfortunately, there's not much information in the Gakowa books. I found the marriage between Philip and Anna, but no exact birth dates or parents. Anna had a second name: Maria and her maiden name Schäfer might also have been written "Schefer" in some sources.

Rosina is not listet at all, but her sisters Catharina (* ~1805) and Maria Anna (* ?) are. Maria Anna married Franz Nuber in Kunbaja on 13 November 1827.

Interestingly, the entry above Philipp and Anna Maria lists no parent names, but three children: Margretha (* ~1773), Theresia (* ~1776) and Philippus (* ~1777) that lived in Gakowa in 1784. That might well be the same Philipp, and while there are no parents listed, I hope that it still might be a hint that could help you make progress.

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Hi Constantin,

Thank you so much for your kind help and advice, your quick response is also greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Alex

Answer 5

Hello,

I am looking for information on the Valentin Nedler family.  Valentin married Eva Gatti/Gotti in Gakowa.  They lived out in the country. The ended up in Germany during the war and eventually immigrated to the US.  I am hoping to find some of Valentine’s brothers as I think they have family here.  Thank you, Sandy

Answer 6

Hi,

Can I be helped about this following person, who was one of my great-great grandmothers:

Anna Linder (born in 17.01.1830 in Karavukovo/Wolfingen, Bácska). Her parents were apparently Georg Linder and Elisabeth Schnaterbecher. Her husband was most likely József Kókai (born in either 1828 or 1829 in Topolya, Bácska). Her son was also called József Kókai (born in 21.03.1845 in Topolya, Bácska).

Thank you kindly in advance!

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^{Hi! I'm sorry, but I don't have any books about Wolfingen or Topolya!} 

Answer 7

Hi ,

I'm looking for help with the ancestors of Johann Schneider , born on the 13th Nov.1893 in Titel , in Serbia to Peter Schneider & Barbara März.

In the Ortsfamilienbuch from Kischker they are listed as :

Peter Schneider ( 6956 ) * Titel

oo 07.02.1886 Kischker

Barbara März ( 4898 ) * 16.02.1862 in Kischker

The März family line I have been able to trace but have come to a brickwall with Peter Schneider.

Can anyone help or have any ideas on how I should proceed ?

thanks,

Alan

Answer 8

Hello Constantin,

Can you look in your Gakowa book by Schnaterbeck for a family? I am looking for Johann HAFFNER/HEFFNER married to Franciska KELLER sometime before 1816. In 1816 they were living in Stanischitsch. They would have been born around 1780-1790. Thank you!

Tom Schneider

Answer 9

Hello,

 My father's family comes from Galicia, my father was born in Stanisławów (today Ivano-Frankivsk in Ukraine). The first settlers established the village of Ugartsthal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugartsthal

I am interested in linking these Philipps from Banat to Philipps from Galicia.

 

I found information that Johann Adam Philipps left for the Banat in 1786 and settled in Kirschker. He came from Pfalzweyer in Lothringen and he was married in Berlingen (Lothringen). My family also came to Galicia from Lothringen - from the village Zilling (Zillingen), which is 5 km from Pfalzweyer, and they also were married in Berlingen... And my ancestor Johann Nikolaus Philipps also left Zilling in Lothringen in 1778. So they both must be a family. I suppose they were separated in Vienna – Johann Adam was sent to Batschka, and Johann Nikolaus to Galizien (Galicia), the territories just newly annexed by Austria.

 And there are more in my family tree Donasuchwaben like Katharina Phillips (born Becker) b. 3.08.1888 Bocar, Austria, Hungary, today Serbian Banat. She was married to Rudolph Philipps born in Ugartsthal (Galizien, Austria, Ukraine today). They lived in Los Angeles.

There are many others names Philipps on the list of the dead that lived once in Backa or Banat.

My Batschka family tree you may see on https://www.myheritage.com

Greetings from Poland,

Andrzej Philips