G2G: Proof that Richard Griffin & second son named John were William Griffin's sons?

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Between the power of attorney naming William Griffin's children by his first wife Sarah Kirksey and the family letter written in 1787 by Averilla Griffin Anthony, a granddaughter of William and his second wife Elizabeth, we can reasonably sort the children named in William's will and which mother they belonged to. However, two other children are attached to William that do not seem to fit - Richard Griffin and a second son named John, who purportedly died as a child in 1800. I cannot find any records connected these two individuals to William and his two wives. On Richard's profile, the only documentation is an import from a gedcom file in 2012 and Ancestry trees/links that no longer work or just go to the main Ancestry page. None of this is acceptable proof. For the second purported son named John, his wiki profile only cites old Ancestry trees/links that do not even exist now. So we cannot see if there were any credible sources on them. The information about Richard and the second son John apparently came from unsourced material put on William's Find a Grave memorial. The only information on Find a Grave that we should typically use as proof is the information on the tombstone and the location of the cemetery, which would establish burial place. The only caveat is that occasionally individuals include sourced materials that can be used, or cite sources we can find.

Unless someone has documented proof that Richard Griffin and the purported second younger son named John were indeed William Griffin's children, I propose that we detach them as his and his wives' children Neither profile includes any children, so we wouldn't be eliminating any of their descendants if we were to do so. If someone eventually digs up proof otherwise, they can easily be added back on. This would be better than to perpetuate a mistake that will continue to be picked up by those researching William and his family.

WikiTree profile: William Griffin
in Genealogy Help by G2G-3 (3.4k points)
edited by Anonymous Turner

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read the will- find William's original will.

Abstract here:   Pendleton District, SC 1800-1828, Anderson District, SC 1828-1835  Will Book A
(Compiled by Alexander, Elliott, White)
by G2G-10 (11.0k points)

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer. I do have three copies of the will - the one in William's estate file, the one in the will book, and a transcribed copy that's on the SC Dept. of Archives and History's website. It does not name a son Richard. There is a record in Chatham Co NC, Will Book A, image 43, dated 9 Jan 1800, that names William's children by his first wife Sarah.  (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-VN92-KV?i=44&cc=1867501&cat=511778) 

There's no mention of a Richard Griffin in it either. However, it does name the couple's grown son John Griffin who was a legal adult when he signed it - not a child. In fact, William sold John some of his property on Pokeberry Creek in Chatham County on 6 Aug 1789 - so he was already an adult then, born at least 1768 or earlier. John is also named in William's will drafted 5 Oct 1800 in Pendleton Co SC. William bequeathed to him 10 shillings sterling. This John, son of Sarah, did not die as a child in 1800 - yet there is a second John Griffin wiki profile attached to William and his second wife Elizabeth Stroud - that has a death date for him of 1800. The bio says "died as a child." The only sources shown on this profile are some old Ancestry tree links that don't work - not sufficient. Someone most likely entered into their Ancestry tree that John died after the date of William's will in 1800 - since the will proved John was still alive on that date - but somewhere along the way, this probably got copied repeatedly and interpreted as his actual date of his death. However, John Griffin died before 4 Mar 1827 in Anderson District, SC - per the earliest dated document in his estate file. In it, his brother-in-law Kennon Breazeal provided an affidavit to the probate court concerning the value of John's land. John Griffin estate file

 Averilla Griffin Anthony, a granddaughter of William Griffin through his wife Elizabeth, wrote a letter to her children in 1878 that names all of William and Elizabeth's children. She was born while Elizabeth was still living. The letter does not mention Elizabeth having a son named John. It names sons Henry, William, Sargent, and Oswell, as well as daughters Elizabeth who married James Trotter and daughter Patsy who married John Stanley. (Source of letter transcription: Lovvorn, Nancy Sue Griffin, "The Griffin Family," 1995, Kimberly Hampton Memorial Library, Easley, SC.)

Averilla's letter and the 1800 document drafted in Chatham Co NC accounts for every child William named in his will - no Richard, no second son named John by Elizabeth. I have not found any proof that either of these purported sons existed; so I was asking if anyone else does have proof. The only sources cited for the Richard Griffin attached to William and Elizabeth is a reference to imported data from a gedcom file and changes made to Richard's profile here on Wikitree. There's no actual documentation that proves anything about Richard or his parents. There also isn't any children or spouse attached to him.

William's profile is protected by the US Southern Colonies Project and needs project maintenance. It states in the research notes, "Needs relationship review: As noted above, not all of the children listed in his Find A Grave memorial are named in William's will, so further research is needed to reconcile and/or confirm the list of children."

This is what I am trying to do. Based on all documents I have found, here are William's children named in the will, sorted by mother:

William Griffin and Sarah Kirksey's children: Rebecca Griffin, John Griffin, Roseanna Griffin, Haskey Griffin

William Griffin and Elizabeth Stroud's children: Henry Griffin, William Griffin, Sargent Griffin, Oswell (Orswell/Oswald) Griffin, Elizabeth Griffin, Martha Griffin

No Richard Griffin or second son named John Griffin


The following is a transcript of a Power of Attorney dated 1800 in Chatham Co., NC..

Gideon Kirksey legatee of Rebeccah Richman [Rick]man alias Kirksey, Edward, John, Sarah and Isaac Kirksey heirs of Isaac Kirksey (dec’d) and his wife Mary, and John Griffin, Poel Breazeal and his wife Rebeccah, Michael Blocker and his wife Rossey, Kennon Breazeal and Hasky his wife, heirs of William Griffin and his wife Sarah (dec’d) appointed their trusty friend Christopher Kirksey attorney to collect and receive their claims against the estate of Rebeccah Rickman alias Kirksey (dec’d). Witnessed by William Kirksey, Drewry Hearn, and Benjamin Clement. [NOTE: Christopher is not listed as of Rebecca Rickman. Christopher is the attorney for collecting and receiving their parts or claims from the estate of Rebeccah . Was Christopher representing himself although he did not sign or list himself as an heir?]

Yes, here you can see that actual document. It's the one I cited in my previous posts. It is in Chatham County, NC, Will Book A. 

North Carolina Probate Records, 1735-1970; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-VN92-KV?cc=1867501&wc=32LK-YWL%3A169766301%2C169916001

As I noted, it does not mention a child named Richard. It does have William and Sarah's son John - he was an adult then and signed it with his mark. William sold him some of his land up there a few years earlier. And he's named in the will. I just really don't think William had a second son named John that died as a child the same year William died. That's what I'm trying to resolve. Again, thanks for the help. 


That is about all I have on this family.

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