Rosalie (Martin) Neve
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Rosalie (Martin) Neve

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I have been reproducing a portion of my private family tree on to wikitree. The tree on ancestry includes additional information on my descendants who are not adults yet (10 additional grandchildren to date) and their respective ancestors and extended families.
Rosalie J. Neve formerly Martin
Born 1950s.
Ancestors ancestors
Sister of [private sister (1950s - unknown)], [private sister (1950s - unknown)] and [private sister (1960s - unknown)]
Descendants descendants
Mother of [private daughter (1970s - unknown)], [private daughter (1970s - unknown)], , [private son (1980s - unknown)], , [private daughter (1980s - unknown)], [private son (1990s - unknown)] and
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Rosalie (Martin) Neve is an Indigenous Australian.
Rosalie (Martin) Neve is a member of the Indigenous Australians Team.
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Rosalie (Martin) Neve has completed the England Project's Post 1700 Orphan Trail I.
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Rosalie (Martin) Neve has completed the England Project's Pre-1700 Orphan Trail II.
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Rosalie (Martin) Neve participated in the 2022 England Project Supermarket Trolley Dash Challenge.
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Rosalie (Martin) Neve visited 2 nations including India and Argentina in the 15 Nations Tour.

I am the eldest of my family and the first female in my matrilineal line in Australia, to be educated formally at school. I am also the first of the women in my family born on Gumbainggirr land to be and to identify as an Aboriginal person and to be accepted as such by the Aboriginal community I live and work in. I have always had a keen interest in family history and my fathers family tree has been passed on to me by word of mouth from my father and others over decades since I was about 8 years old. I am an Aboriginal cultural heritage specialist and educator and I enjoy opportunities to work with and for Aboriginal communities on all matters relating to Aboriginal cultural values and family lines. I was educated through St Mary's Bellingen, Bellingen High School, University of New England and Flinders University. When my first child was arriving I opted to be a 'stay at home parent' until my children were at school and in the care of others for large sections of the day. When they were I had time to complete my university studies and pursue ongoing employment. I graduated with a Bachelor of Arts majoring in archaeology and paleoanthropogy on my mother’s 70 birthday in October 2007. While working as an archaeologist for the NSW government in 2008 I started post graduate studies with Flinders University in Cultural Heritage Management. I have lived mostly in Bellingen until a short-term 18 month contract with Griffith University in Brisbane as the project officer for their ongoing Indigenising their curriculum project took me to Queensland in 2008. In March 2010 I started working in Coffs Harbour again for the same agency I started with in 2007 for a 3-month contract and started commuting weekly by car from my new home in Queensland to my old home in Bellingen. However, that has evolved into ongoing employment over the years in a number of different roles in Aboriginal cultural heritage regulation.

In 2017 at the request of other family members who were also the descendants of Jack and Jesse Cook I was their contact officer for the purposes of registering the family's Aboriginal corporation with the Office of the Registrar of Indigenous. Corporations Cook Family of Barrington.

Between July 2020 and December 2021 I was working for the NSW Department of Premier & Cabinet in a work from home capacity in Queensland as part of the COVID response.

I accepted a voluntary redundance offer and left the Department on 13 December 2021. I am currently the contact officer for the Cook family of Barrington and an Indigenous representative on the Australian Archaeological Association's national executive.


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  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by an AncestryDNA test match between Rosalie (Martin) Neve and her first cousin once removed (SK). Their most-recent common ancestors are her grandparents, Sid Kelly and Mary Sheridan. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 1st Cousins 1 x removed, based on sharing 464 cM cM across 18 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by an AncestryDNA test match between Rosalie (Martin) Neve and her first cousin once removed (AK). Their most-recent common ancestors are her grandparents, Sid Kelly and Mary Sheridan. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 1st Cousins 1 x removed, based on sharing 438 cM cM cM across 16 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by an AncestryDNA test match between Rosalie (Martin) Neve and her first cousin once removed (AG). Their most-recent common ancestor is her grandfather, Percy Gordon Middlebrook. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 1st - 2nd Cousins, based on sharing 395 cM across 17 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by an AncestryDNA test match between Rosalie (Martin) Neve and her first cousin once removed (PW). Their most-recent common ancestor is her grandfather, Percy Gordon Middlebrook. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 1st Cousin 1 X removed, based on sharing 305 cM across 13 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by an AncestryDNA test match between Rosalie (Martin) Neve and her second cousin (KM). Their most-recent common ancestors are her great grandparents, John Middlebrook and Mary Henny. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 2nd - 3rd Cousin, based on sharing 286 cM across 13 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.

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I just wanted to stop by and say hello, Rosalie. I haven't seen you in the branches recently, but I know you are out there doing great work!

I hope you and yours are all safe and well, Take care, Mindy

posted by Mindy Silva
Thanks Mindy - same to you and yours.
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Rosalie, Thanks for replying the other day. I'm new to wiki tree & a complete novice, yet although I know the Cary genealogy from Adam De Karry (1170) through James Cary that came over from England in 1639 & I know from myself back to "Deacon John Cary" (his son born 1-15-1647), Wikitree essentially stops at Colonel Richard Cary's son Richard Cary stating he only had one son from Anna Low Cary= Cornelius Cary, when in fact it does not stop there. Richard Cary (son of Colonel Richard Cary) married Almira White (descendant of Peregrine White -Mayflower), who had at least one son, George Bradley Cary b 10-6-1805 who married Clarissa Tilden b 3-3-1802, who had at least one child Edgar Cary b 4-26-1834 who married Harriet Johnson b 3-17-1839, who had at least one son John Derthick Cary. It goes on from there as he is my great grandfather. But in trying to look up any of these names in wiki tree, I find nothing? How is that? How can I proceed (not know anything about a) how to start this or b) how to have someone corroborate this (I know I can)? Thanks
posted by David Cary
David, It may be that the reason some of your ancestors are missing on WikiTree is that:

1) someone may have not gotten that far yet, 2) WikiTree depends on *documentary* evidence, and it is possible that that kind of evidence is not present for those profiles to be created.

If you have evidence for the existence of missing ancestors, then you are free to add those ancestors with links to the document proving the data.

Hope this helps,

Pippin Sheppard - WikiTree Greeter

posted by Pip Sheppard
I noticed you posted a message for Lisa Ackworth. My name is John Ackworth and I am always looking for Ackworth’s. I live in Ohio and I find if you’re an Ackworth most likely were related.
posted by Jack Ackworth
Dear Rosalie,

On behalf of the England Project, I would like to thank you for all your contributions towards the project's goals. Every single contribution you make helps improve English profiles!

I'd also like to share our annual Newsletter with you. You can read it here: England Project Newsletters. We hope you enjoy reading a bit about what has gone on in 2022 and what our Project has achieved.

The England Project Leaders like to touch base with each of our members every 6 months just to make sure everything is going well. There's no need to reply to this message unless you have something you'd like to let us know about (e.g. if you would like to change your team choices or provide other feedback). We will be in touch with you again in the middle of next year when we do our annual check-in with project members.

On behalf of all the Leaders, I wish you a peaceful and productive 2023.

Best wishes,

Amelia, England Project Leader

posted by Amelia Utting

Thank you for the welcome email. I only registered this morning so have not yet had the time to explore properly but will do so very soon. I have dipped in and out of my family tree for several years but now that I have more time on my hands, I'm getting back into it. Karen.

posted by Karen Capes
Hi Rosalie,

It's time for the annual Australia Project membership checkin. Thank you so much for contributing to the project and Australian profiles on WikiTree during the last year. We really appreciate you!

If you would like to stay in the project, please reply to this message or send me a private message to let us know that you would like to stay on. Alternatively, if your WikiTree and research interests have moved away from Australia, please let us know and we can remove you from the membership list for the moment. You will, of course, be very welcome to rejoin the project down the track whenever you want to.

We are also keen to know if you want to make any changes to the team or teams that you want to focus on. Take a look on Australia Project Teams to see what teams there are to choose from. If you want to discuss this, or have any questions or suggestions about the Australia Project we'd love to hear your ideas.

Thanks for taking the time to get back to us!

Gillian, co-Leader, Australia Project

posted by Gillian Thomas
Thank you for the message - I would like to continue in the project for the upcoming year please. I am still interested in the same teams going forward.
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi Rosalie,

We are all so glad you are a part of our project! On behalf of the England Project, I would like to thank you for all your contributions towards the project's goals over the past year. Every English profile we improve helps!

The England Project Leaders are currently doing our six-monthly check-in with all project members.

Are you happy to with your current project team choices? Are there other teams you would like to join or become more active in?

We also welcome any feedback on things you would like to see the project do more of in the future.

I look forward to hearing from you. Please respond to this message by posting a reply below or sending me a private message.

Many thanks!

Maddy, England Project Leader

posted by Maddy Hardman
Thanks for checking in Maddy

For now I am happy to continue with the teams I am already in.

I am learning so much but there is still much to learn.

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
That’s great Rosalie, thanks for everything you do!


posted by Maddy Hardman
It's time for our annual Scotland Project check-in!

This year we are hoping to learn what our membership would like to accomplish over the next 12 months.

In case you aren't aware, this year is WikiTree's ""Year of Connections"" and the Project's leadership would like to contribute to this in as many ways as possible.

We would appreciate it if you would share your thoughts and ideas with us on how we can accomplish this goal. We would also appreciate it if you would provide some feedback on our existing goals, including:

  • If you have not yet signed up to help on one of the project's teams, which team(s) would you be interested in joining?
  • How often should we provide a Project Newsletter?
  • Have you participated in the Tartan Trail? If not, is this something you'd be interested in doing?
  • Do you have a question(s) that we could add to a Frequently Asked Questions page?
  • Any suggestions or ideas you have on ways to improve the Scotland Project in general

We continue to communicate with our Project members via Google Group (official) and Discord (unofficial), as well as G2G. You may also reach out to any of the Project leaders via WikiTree's internal messaging system at any time.

Thank you for all you do to help the Scotland Project become a knowledge hub for Scottish genealogical research! We wish you all the best in 2022!

Sincerely, Amy Gilpin on behalf of the Scotland Project Leaders

posted by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
Hi Rosalie,

It’s time for our annual Ireland Project check-in! Please respond within the next two weeks to let me know:

  • If you are happy with the team you’re on or if you’d like to make a change. It is now required that all members with an Ireland project badge work on at least one of the project’s team(s), so if you’ve not yet signed up please do so in your reply to this check-in.
  • What you think the project is doing well, and what (if any) changes you would like to see us make? Are there any teams you would like to become more active in?
  • Would you be interested in helping to work on an Ireland Project newsletter?
  • Please give us some feedback on the use of google group and discord. Do you use one or both of these? If you don’t use either of them, what is the best way for us to ensure you receive project communications? If you would like to join us on either one, just let us know in your response and we will get you signed up.

Please respond to this message by posting a reply below or sending me a private message on WikiTree. If we don’t hear from you within two weeks, we will assume you are no longer interested in participating in the Ireland Project, and your badge will be removed. If you wish to reapply for membership later, we will be happy to have you back. Many thanks, and I look forward to hearing from you!


Jen Hutton, on behalf of the Ireland Project

posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Thank you for checking in. I am happy to continue with the Diaspora team (focusing mainly on Irish families moving to Australia)
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Thanks for the welcomes & I have a question..I have posted my info using my name of Kathleen Sue Riley. This ia my adopted name ( given to me at 2 months old). My birth name us Carol Anne Dow..which should I be using on my info? I am working on my birth parents & relations as far as my tree goes, not my adopted family.
posted by Kathy (Riley) Purcell
Thanks so much for the info and I will be needing help. Have used Ancestry and some at Family Search. Watched a U-tube show about Wiki and it made me take a look.
posted by Linda Boschert
Thx. I'm new to wikitree so I'm sure questions will come.
posted by Roger Frey
Hello, Rosalie. Thanks for the welcome. I am new to doing genealogical research on the computer. Have found some information about my family and what to find out about my Great, great, grandfather Joseph Rutley who was born in 1788 in Berne, Switzerland. Can you help me find out where he was born there? Again thank you.
posted by J Lowe
Is this profile on WikiTree your ancestor? Joseph Rutley (1788-)

If so - this Find a Grave link may provide hints to information that is not currently on his WikiTree profile: Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 17 February 2022), memorial page for Joseph Rutley (4 Feb 1788–1861), Find a Grave Memorial ID 185049240, citing Martins Anglican Cemetery, Newington, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry United Counties, Ontario, Canada ; Maintained by Joan Donnelly Ellis (contributor 48058555) Cremated, Other

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
edited by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hello Rosalie, thank you for the welcome. So new I squeak but appreciate the shout out. ( I'm not sure my Instant Message got to the person Keenan

Sutherland as I had not registered first.) Catherine Allen (nee Grace)

I hope you enjoy your time here at WikiTree as much as I do 🙂
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
The last DNA confirmation statement seems to have an error. The most recent common ancestors for third cousins are their great great grandparents.

See the Help for DNA Confirmation for directions. Try the DNA Confirmation Citation Maker with your match to see how it should look.

Thank you.

posted by John Kingman
Thank you - and yes it should say 2nd cousins. I have corrected the error
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hello Rosalie,

The Australia Project leadership team are carrying out our annual check-in to see how you are going in the project. We'd really like to give you a huge thank you for all your work on Australian profiles over the past year! We've made great progress in 2020/21 with your assistance.

Please could you reply to this message, to let us know if you would like to stay on in the project and if you are happy with your current role and team involvement.

If you would like to do something additional or different, take a look on the Australia Project page to see what other opportunities there are.

It would also be great to get any feedback or suggestions that you have to improve the project.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Gillian, Co-leader, Australia Project

posted by Gillian Thomas
Thanks for the check in Gillian,

I am happy with my current role and team involvement. I love the way that collaboration within the Australia Project (and accross other projects) means that I can follow my interests as my own family research progresses.

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Thank you for your work on my Wikitree during the challenge. It is well appreciated, happy hunting!
posted by Shelley Murphy
It was a pleasure and a lot of fun.
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Thank you for such a prompt reply.

Just to be clear, no charge is incurred if one clicks on an item, such as the red colored "place" bullet and then program pulls up a screen that is not the record desired but an intervening step requiring user's input...? Thank again for your time. RD Kenney

posted by Richard Kenney
What are the hidden costs when you try to get more info ?

Thanks [email address removed]

posted by Richard Kenney
All levels of membership at WikiTree are free.
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Thanks. Well, when one clicks on an item, say "place" requested record does not come up but an intervening screen requiring user's input.

Thank you again. RD Kenney

posted by Richard Kenney
Hi Rosalie,

Do you have any Martin family in western New York State? I have fairly distant cousins that lived in Western New York by the last name of Martin

posted by S Seeley
Hi S.

I honestly do not know where any of my Martin relatives may be.

My great grandfather married my great grandmother, a local Aboriginal woman in a small country town in New South Wales Australia in 1915. We have evidence he was in the country here for at least 7 years before they married. Nothing else about his life before that times is currently known.

They raised my father and his younger siblings. My father was encouraged to recite his Aboriginal family tree from childhood. He could list off his grandmother's parents and her siblings and all their known families.

For my great grandfather he was told very little. The few bits he was told he repeated word for word. He told me that his grandfather would say "I was born in Glasgow but my family didn't live there. MY father's name was Thomas Martin, I am Thomas Martin and I have a son Thomas Martin".

The certificate evidence he left in this Country records his parents as Thomas Martin and Catherine McGuire. He died in 1950 and was believed to be 80 years old.

I would love to explore the possibility of cousins I have not yet found. I have taken a DNA test through Ancestry if that ever helps solve the mystery.

Kind regards Rosalie

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
edited by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Thank you for the welcome Rosalie, it makes me feel accepted.
posted by Lynette Brunato
Thank you for the welcome. I appreciate it.
posted by Betty Chernoff
Thank you Rosalie for welcoming me! I really appreciate it. Jenny Hodby
posted by Jennifer Timms
Hi Rosalie,

Thank you for contributing to my tree during the WikiTree Challenge this week! Yvette Hoitink

posted by Yvette Hoitink
Hi Rosalie,

I would like to thank you for all your contributions towards the goals of the England Project during the past six months. We've achieved a huge amount during this period and we couldn't have done it without you and our other project members.

As the England Project Leaders, we are completing our six monthly check-in with all project members.

Are you happy to stay in your current project team(s)? Which team(s) are you most active in? Are there other teams you would like to join or become more active in?

Also, do you have any feedback on what the project is doing well and anything we could do better in the future?

Please respond to this message by posting a reply below or sending me a private message. I look forward to hearing from you.

Many thanks!

Nic, England Project Leader

posted by Nic Donnelly
Thank you for the check in Nic. I am happy to stay in the Kent County team and I have much to still do in that area of research. I am also interested in Lincolnshire, Sussex, Greater London and Middlesex and Devon in the next 6 months.

I enjoy working on the English lines in the WikiTree Challenge as well as my own family ones. I think this is being done well. Not sure what else to add at this time.

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
edited by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi Rosalie, Thanks for the nice welcome. I have previously used Geni. I uploaded my GEDCOM file with 552 names, and was disappointed to not find a single match - oh well. To get started with my family tree, I am trying out the ADD button. It takes me to the "Add an Unrelated Person Form". That page states "If you're adding a family member it's better to add them as a parent, sibling, spouse, or child from your profile or from someone else in your family tree" so I am confused. I don't mind adding profiles one at a time, but I'd rather not retype all of my information. What is the correct way to do this? Thanks, Aaron
posted by Aaron Liston
Hi Rosalie, Thank you for welcoming me. I'm trying to figure out how to start my tree. I have a tree started on I took their DNA test. How do I get it onto here? My maiden name is Davison. But I've been researching Hiestand, Byrum, Booher, Pickard, as well as Davison Thank you and nice to meet you, Robin
Hi Robin,

Here is a link to Ancestry's instruction on downloading a GEDCOM from Ancestry. It takes some time to download a GEDCOM. Once it has downloaded, you can then upload it on WikiTree. It will take some time to upload and you will get a message emailed to you when it is ready. The GEDCOM will not automatically populate your tree. It generates a GEDCOMpare report which you work through, either accepting or rejecting, suggested matches. This link is very helpful when working through your report GEDCOMpare Process

This is time-consuming, though can be worth it in the end. Unlike other sites, where there are many trees, WikiTree is a single tree, so checking before uploading will save you the effort of having to merge duplicate profiles later. This process allows you to look for existing profiles that can save you a lot of time later.

Once you have completed the match/reject review in the GEDCOMpare process, an Add button will appear beside the remaining records in your GEDCOM. That Add button will let you create new profiles without having to type everything. It is still a one by one process because the data needs to be reviewed for completeness and sources.

If you have more than 5,000 names, you will need to split your tree.splitting a tree

If your Ancestry tree is more than 5,000 people, you have to download your tree as a GEDCOM, then upload it to Ancestry as a duplicate tree, or upload it to a desktop program, then remove records until you have less than 5,000 names. You then download this as a GEDCOM and then you can upload it on WikiTree. Then you do the same with the remaining names.

We do not download DNA Data on WikiTree. We do enter our DNA testing information and it is very easy to do. On the top right of most pages, there is an active button "ADD". If you hover over that button there is a drop-down box and the first item is DNA. Click on that and follow the instructions. You can enter your testing company and the type of test such as Y-DNA, mtDNA, or Autosomal (Family Finder): Ancestry, FTDNA, My Heritage, and GedMatch are examples of the companies. You will also add your identifying information such as the kit # for FTDNA.

If you have already entered ancestors it will take about 24 hours for your test information to populate those profiles. As you add more profiles the information will continue to show up on all the appropriate ancestors' profiles. I hope this helps, any problems please let me know

Take care

Rosalie ~ WikiTree Greeter

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hello Robin. It is nice too meet you as well. I have outlined the steps to get the file for the DNA and the family tree from below.

1. Click on your account picture in the top right corner.

2. Click site settings

3. On the site settings page, scroll to the far right, and click on help.

4. In the help menu, click on download account data.

5. On the Requesting a download of your account data page, scroll down to the section that says Requesting your tree data, the click the link that says click here

6. Under the family tree Data section, click the request button

7. Click the download link

That will get you the download file for the tree. Then you just upload it here. The process is roughly the same for the DNA file. You will see when you got through the steps where you can select either tree or dna.

On here there is a section that says GEDCOM can upload the tree there. The is also a section here for uploading the DNA file...feel free to reach out to me if you run into any problems with the process. I look forward to speaking to you soon.

posted by Daron Rice

Thank you for joining our first ever Connecting Challenge and helping us create 2729 profiles!

You can add the participation sticker to your profile if you’d like. Connecting Challenge Stickers

We’ve started the March challenge here: March Connecting Challenge



It’s time for a Project check-in!

Scotland Project Leaders check in with you at least once a year to see how you are doing. With the changes happening around the world, we understand that life is hectic right now.

What are you planning to work on for the Scotland Project this year? Are you happy with the team(s) you part of, or would you like to make some changes?

This time round, we’re also looking for feedback on the use of Google Group and Discord. Do you use one or both of these? If you don’t use either of them, what is the best way to ensure you receive Project communications? If you would like to join us on Google Group or Discord, let us know in your response.

posted by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
Thank you for the check-in Amy

I have so much I would like to discuss I will send you a private message. Looking forward to another year chipping away at my Scotland based brick walls and helping out with any untended incomplete profiles when and if I can.

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi, Rosalie, my fellow Greeter!

Thank you for adding your DNA to WikiTree. Getting the Best from DNA will tell you more about how DNA kits are used on WikiTree.

I hope this helps! If you have any questions or problems, let me know.

Take care,

Laura ~ WikiTree Greeter

posted by Laura DeSpain
Help. I'm new on this venue and less than 2 weeks on (with DNA). I did microfilm searches off and on for decades.

I spent hours last evening trying to add my mother (to my initial entry) and kept getting notices that there was contradictory information indicating she was both alive and dead. I gave up after midnight.

I'd also tried to find trees with any other known relatives (i.e. deceased maternal grandmother), again, zilch. There are loads of census records and obituaries, but I don't see other trees yet.

Is there something totally likely to have been missed in an eye's blink, something that assures failure of my attempts to add an entry for my mother?

posted by Diane (Scott) Hare
Hi Diane

I have sent you an email.

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Initial issue solved and you gave me guidance on my next stumbling block. I need to learn how to format sources/citations.
posted by Diane (Scott) Hare
I am still learning too - but happy to help if I can
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
hi Rosalie,

I'm Julie :)

thank you for reaching out. at the moment I'm attempting to set up my family tree lol . its not as straight forward i thought it would be … nothing like the other genealogy sites lol but ill get there...… I think??!! lol. thank u so much though .. ill definitely take u up on your offer of assistance if I get too stuck :)

regards julie

posted by Julz (Morgan) Helper
Rosalie, thank you for the warm welcome. I do have a question for you about some notations I’ve seen in early English records. I wonder if these are somehow some rough dates, for example, 15 Henry VIII, 2 William the Conqueror, and so forth. Do these refer to the 2nd year of William’s reign, and the 15th year of Henry VIII’s reign, instead of using an actual year format we use today?
posted by Cass McDonough
Thank you for your question Cass because since I didn't know I also had to ask. One of our wonderful Wikitreers in the England Project (Laura) answered the question for both of us. Laura confirmed that yes, they refer to their regnal years.

At there is a tool that can help figure out the year Calendar Regnal Years. She tells us that you just add the regnal year (a month if you know it) and choose the King or Queen from the drop menu and have it convert it. It will even give you dual years for January through March.

On Wikitree there is always something new to learn

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
edited by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Thank you so much, both you and Laura! Dates were all I could figure out for those notations. Y’all have opened up several new sources for me. Sorry that I was repeating my question, but I’m unaware of protocols here, so far. As you said, we’re always learning something new here! 😊
posted by Cass McDonough
Thank you, Rosalie! I appreciate you taking the time to welcome me! I will be sure to reach out if I need any help.
posted by Mary Leachman
Good Morning Rosalie,

Thank you for your warm welcome to the WikiTree family and I will definitely reach out if I need any help or advice. Take care and have a super day : )


posted by Tiffany (Cole) Gloria
Hi Rosalie,

It's Claire Nava - WikiTree volunteer. I see your name fairly often in the feeds, so I thought I'd say "hi." Also, I was struck by the surname similarities. So Neve is native Australian? My husband's surname (and mine for close to fifty years), Nava, is from Mexico - likely from the Navas de Toloso in Spain, but records in Mexico are problematic.

That's it. Just following an impulse to stop by.

See you on the 'tree,


posted by Claire (Chapel) Nava
Thank you for stopping by Claire.

Neve is not a native Australian surname.

It is my ex-husband's French family roots surname.

Congratulations on nearly 50 years married.

Kind regards Rosalie

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
edited by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi Again

Is it Ok to include info on site about me and my relatives that is still alive? Not sure about cyber security and this site. Ann-Maree

posted by Ann-Maree Wilkinson Ms
Hi Ann Marie

At WikiTree, we aim to protect the privacy of all living individuals for their protection and in line with GDPR legislation.

WikiTree has excellent privacy controls, but that won’t protect you and your family if you publish your personal information, or the information of your living family members, in your biography.

Since WikiTree is a public website, I suggest not including dates and locations of life events and references to living individuals from your biography. If you create profiles for your family members instead, WikiTree’s automatic privacy controls will protect their information.

Did you know you can check what is visible to the public, by going to your profile and clicking on the Profile (public view) tab?

For further information about privacy, see

Many thanks

Rosalie ~ WikiTree Greeter

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hello and thank you for accepting me on Wikitree. Can you tell me how to had my parents and grandparents, etc. to my family tree? Thank you so much, Kathy Sauceda
posted by Mary Katherine Kinslow
WikiTree is a wonderful community to be part of and I hope you get as much out of it as I am.

There are 3 levels of membership/participation of WikiTree (all are free). You are currently a Guest. If you wish to participate more it will require an upgrade in membership. For more information, please refer to this link:

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Just wanted to thank you Rosalie for greeting me and making me feel welcome upon entering wikitree. I suspect I am going to need your help for sure, I already messed up and am stuck. And your profile is Awesome!!!! So much information, I hope to someday have even a fourth of that under my name about me and my roots.
posted by Angela Esquibel
My pleasure Angela.

I am happy to help you wherever possible on your WikiTree journey. If you have specific questions just send me a personal email. If I cannot help you, I will do my best to put you in touch with someone who can. We are very lucky here. So many members are very generous with their time and knowledge. There is so much to learn and I still have a long way to go myself. Thank too for your very kind feedback on my profile.

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi Rosalie,

It's that time of the year again: check-in time! As England Project Leaders, we like to check in with you every six months or so to see how things are progressing. Back in May, we didn't ask for a response due to the rapid emergence of Covid-19 because we understood that people's lives were changing rapidly. While we are still living in a Covid world, we do need to hear back from you this time around

First of all, how are you doing? What are you currently working on? Are you happy with the team(s) you're in, or would you like to change things up?

Secondly, we're looking for some feedback on the Google Group and our Discord server. Do you use either or both of these? If you don't use either, why not? Do you have any suggestions on how we can improve participation and collaboration, either generally or for you personally?

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Lizzie, Amy, Joan

England Project Leaders

posted by Lizzie (Batman) Griffiths
edited by Lizzie (Batman) Griffiths
Hi, Rosalie!

Thank you for your participation in October’s 2020 Source-a-thon. Your contributions helped us to clear over 57,000 profiles that needed sourcing. This makes our Shared Tree all that much better.

Keep up the great work!

Pippin Sheppard WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted by Pip Sheppard
Hi Rosalie,

The Australia Project leadership team are carrying out a check-in to see how you are going in the project and especially to thank you for all your work on Australian profiles on WikiTree. We really value your participation.

Please could you get back to me by private message to let me know if you are happy with your current role and team involvement within the project or if you would like to do something additional or different. Currently you are on the Indigenous Australians team. If you would like a change, you can check on the Australia Project page to see what other options there are.

It would also be great to hear any feedback and any suggestions that you have to improve the project. On a practical note, if you are a member of the google group, are you receiving messages ok? I do have your email you sent Gillian, so you only need to reply if there is anything else you would like to add.

Kind Regards

Margaret Haining Membership Coordinator

Rosalie, I am here through the Family News feature as well, it came to my attention after I finished reading Ambelin Kwaymullina's "Living on Stolen Land" which arrived today in the postbox. So now please accept many thank yous for moving your work to wikitree.

I note you are the closest connection I have had with anyone featured in the WikiTree Family News email. At 20 steps this is a record for me, and is only three marriages distant (practically in-laws) (Knight-Gardner, Senior-Mison and Mison-Gallop). I wish you well.

Nice to make contact with a fellow Wikitreer who is not so distant by degrees. Thank you for stopping by and for the kind wishes.
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
As simply as I can put it, your Great Great Aunt Martha married Ninian Gardner, who is first cousin once removed to Ellen Senior who married George Mison, who was nephew to Ephraim Mison who married my second cousin twice removed Coralie Gallup.
Through your Family News feature today, I discovered Kübler relatives of my mother who migrated from Germany to Australia. My branch of the family came to the US. Thank you for your faithful work on the Indigenous Australians Project. Best wishes from a distant connection. Jane
posted by Jane (Snell) Copes
Hello, Rosalie!

Thanks for all the work you accomplished during our Connect-A-Thon 2020. It is amazing how many more profiles were created and added to our Shared Tree. You have every right to be pleased with your efforts!

Kind regards,

Pippin Sheppard ~ WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted by Pip Sheppard
Welcome to the Scotland project. I hope you get a great deal of pleasure collaborating with colleagues in this great project. If you have any questions or wish any advice either send me a private message or email me.
Looking forward to learning on the Tartan Trail
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi Rosalie,

Re Holmes-11364 - Do you know when your auntie Shirley married? Was she Dennis' second wife? And did Dennis already have any children? Kind regards, SueCD.

posted by Sue (Armitage) Carlson Dunn
edited by Sue (Armitage) Carlson Dunn
Hi Rosalie,

Thanks for replying. I don't think that we have a connection here: Dennis was married to Olga Armitage (a very distant cousin) who died in Sydney in 1969; they had three children Brian, Michael and Raymond. Brian was the source of my information for this part of the extended family tree and I'm sure he would have mentioned if his father had remarried.

Kind regards, and good luck with your search, SueCD.

Thank you :-) Your prompt responses and collaboration has been greatly appreciated.
posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi Rosalie!

One of our mentors created a tutorial for the GEDCOMpare process that others found very helpful. I hope that you will too.

If you have any questions about how WikiTree works, let us know by using the "reply" link under our comments, or by clicking our names to visit our profiles. From there, you can leave a comment, or send a private message.

Cheryl ~~ WikiTree Greeter

posted by Cheryl (Smith) Hess
Thank you thank you THANK YOU!!!!  :) - that's so much easier than trying to reduce my current online private ancestry tree to under 5000 people (and yes I did start deleting from a copy of the tree- only wasted enough time to delete around 800 odd and had 2000 to go.

What can I say in my defence - I learn best by having a go at something.

posted by Rosalie (Martin) Neve
Hi Rosalie

Thanks for taking the Pre-1700 Quiz. As Pre-1700 ancestors are shared by many descendants, working within a project is essential you are already in the Australia projects but you have created profile born in England below are some links for this project

Please ensure locations are entered on all profiles you have a number with no locations. The location data should match dates of profile. Avoid abbreviations, add sources with citations & links for sources to support the data. From wiki ID go to Research to find sources.  Sources & England Reliable Sources and [please review this page  Reliable Pre-1700 sources} 

The England Project may be of interest. Adding the tag  ENGLAND will provide updates about the project.  Follow this link for your Tags:   your tags  Also explore  Also explore  County Teams other pages to explore are the  England Pages England Pages Explore Pre-1700 Projects list to find one to fits your research focus,

Questions ask Here To contact me, be sure to use the "reply" link for this comment so that I will be notified. You can also click my name to send a private message, or post a comment, on my profile page.   

Janet ~ Pre-1700 Greeter

PS Links not working, click them in your comment box 

posted by Janet (Langridge) Wild
Hi Rosalie

As you have been a member of WikiTree for a few weeks now, I thought I would check in to see how you are getting on with the site.

Has the New Member How-To been helpful, or left you with any questions?

I am here to help with any problems or queries you may have. To contact me, be sure to use the "reply" link below this comment so that I will be notified. Alternatively, you can click my name to visit my profile, where you can send a private message, or post a comment on my profile page.

Sometimes links don't work in emails. If that's happened to you, check the public comments on your profile. The links will work from there.

Wendy ~ WikiTree Greeter

Hi Rosalie, Welcome to the Australia Project. We are so delighted that you have joined us. I'll be looking forward to working with you. Gillian, co-Leader, Australia Project
posted by Gillian Thomas
I am pleased to welcome you to WikiTree! Thank you for upgrading. You are now ready to add and edit profiles.

Click here to start with New Member How-To. They will save you time, energy as you add your family profiles.

I hope you enjoy WikiTree as much as I do.

If you have questions about how WikiTree works, let me know. You can use the "reply" link under this comment or click my name, then ask in the comment section of my page.

Gilly ~ WikiTree Greeter

P.S. Sometimes links don't work in emails. If that's happened to you, check the public comments on your profile, as the links will work from there.

posted on Neve-185 (merged) by [Living Wood]